10th Wonder – Chapter 106 – To Be Continued…
Six months. It’s been almost six months since our last podcast. A lot has happened, and yes we have some bad news that you’ve probably already heard. On May 13th, 2010 Heroes was officially canceled by NBC. We’ve had two months to think about it, and finally Joe and I bring you our thoughts about the cancellation, we talk about what’s next not only for the folks at Heroes, but for ourselves as well. Also, Comic-Con is next week and if you’re going we definitely want to see you there. We hope you enjoy!
just wanted to let you know that this is the first podcast I have listened to of yours. I really enjoyed it. I hadn’t really been online much during the last 4 seasons that Heroes was televised so I wasn’t part of the community. I however did watch the seasons on dvd over and over. I think that with the news of Heroes being cancelled that more people are going to pick up the seasons on dvd and watch them and hope for a mini series to wrap up. So your thoughts on NBC waiting a while might be spot on as they watch the sales of the season dvds.
I’m listening to the podcast now, and looking back, remembering the lack of advertising for Heroes at the beginning of this previous season (the fact I had to log onto got-heroes.com and find out it was being moved to a 8 pm slot), makes me think maybe NBC was setting up the show to fail.
As for the mini series idea, I would love for the show to have some kind of closure. But I don’t think it’s going to happen anymore simply because many of the actors and crew have gone on to do different things. It would be harder to get them back together. (which I guess, leaves the show’s possible fate up to the fanfiction writers…). But if it does happen, I don’t want Tim Kring to write it. Bring back the people who made the show great to begin with.
Also, I think a Heroes re-watch would be awesome. I’ve actually been listening to past 10th Wonders episodes, and I’d love to hear from you guys, how you view past episodes now.
Hi. Caught the podcast this morning, Graham and Joe. I won’t weigh in on the cancellation of Heroes except to note your comments about NBC not understanding the nontraditional ways (DVR, download, Hulu, etc) in which viewers (myself included) were catching the show: ways that did not translate readily into Nielsen ratings. You had made these comments earlier also and I agree with you. Eventually the networks will create a working business model that incorporates all of those viewing streams that they can profit from but I don’t know how many other worthey shows have to die before that happens. In this regard Heroes became somewhat of a (failed from the business standpoint, perhaps) test case. Hopefully the next Heroes-like show that comes along will be more financially successlful (one hopes that the network and creators will get it right, next time)
I became a fan of Heroes during season 2 (Generations) and was very disappointed with season 4, especially the finale, so much so that I won’t be getting the DVD for that season (though I will listen to your release podcasts).
As for what you guys should do with the 10th Wonder going forward: how about a podcast episode (or series of episodes) in which you and us other listeners fans sketch out an episode that never got made, sort of with a “what if” slant (as in the Marvel Comic series)? It might be great fun to get some fans together and toss out ideas and sketch out a story much lke the writers must do when plotting the shows in real life. It might be a chance for people to talk about the things they alway wanted to see that Heroes never got around to.
You could also take one or more pivotal events in the show and specuate on who things might have worked out differently.
All the best. It was fun listening to you guys…
I like that sketch idea, rudy294.
diffrence between heroes podcast and lost podcast – lost podcasts
are not fanboys – when a lost show is crap, they say so.
heroes podcast – every show is awesome.
the heroes is over – am not sad – good luck on mini series.
bsol, so true. Heroes podcasts, including this one, NEVER made any negative comments regarding the TERRIBLE direction this show went. Its sort of bias because these guys were given certain perks like visiting the set etc. The show sucked in the later seasons. No one can argue that. Kring and co. proved they had no idea how to sustain a show like this. The dialogue and storylines became blatantly unoriginal, instead of remaining subtle. Heroes will NEVER be remembered the way LOST will be. Heroes, fade away, thanks for the waste of time that was season 2…3…4…
To all the people that consider Heroes a noteworthy show. If you ever learn about story structure or character development, re-watch the beloved series and see just how poorly conceived each episode was the past few years. Its almost sickening to think people are going to pay money to watch this terrible excuse for superhero drama.
LOST
thud.
BSOL and mitsarugi- Those two posts show your complete ignorance to… well…. Our show for one but I’m sure it transcends into other things. If you really listened and knew what you were talking about there are PLENTY of times where we pointed out that we didn’t like parts of the show or entire episodes. Case and point was actually when Greg Grunberg showed up right smack dab in the middle of me bashing an episode. I normally don’t feed the trolls but you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
If people love a show, they love a show. There’s nothing you can say or any comment you can make that will change someone’s opinion. The fact that you WASTE your energy coming to Heroes sites to bring up Lost is beyond me… You think visiting the set is going to influence dedicating hours per week doing a live show and a podcast for free when we work full time jobs? Get real, you have no idea.
Joe, people compare LOST to Heroes simply because Heroes was the show that stole LOST’s thunder in its first season. They shared a lot of fans. LOST was struggling amidst an uneven third season while Heroes was picking up steam in the later episodes of Season One. Unfortuanately for Heroes, the first season finale disappointed PLENTY of fans (including me), while the final 5 episodes of LOST’s third season are considered some of the greatest hours of TV. Ever. I’m not here to “troll” but it is OBVIOUS that Heroes dropped the ball after the first season finale.
I don’t consider myself a troll. The debate began when Heroes first came out. What show would be better? LOST v. Heroes was ALL over the place. Even you can’t deny that. So if someone, like me, who clearly declared one show to be superior, wants to express their disdain for the other, don’t call them a troll. And as far as remaining subjective within the review portion of your show, I listened Joe, I did. And you know what, you have given some clear insights as to what went wrong within the hour.
However, running a site about a show that disappointed so many people means you have to put up with plenty of negative reactions. And to try to put someone down for comparing it to LOST is wrong. Every one and their mother knows that Heroes gained majority of its initial steam from LOST comparison. So try not to come off so bitter. If people love a show, they love a show. They are not Trolls. If someone dislikes something, they have every right to say it. This is a FAN-site after all, did you really think all of the former fans would just let it go? This is the very nature of internet blogging, podcasts, etc. It comes with the territory.
I don’t consider this a “WASTE” of energy, I guess every one on Sports Blogs ripping on losing teams are a “WASTE” in your eyes too.
I used to be a fan of Heroes, and now I am not.
I have every right to say it Joe.
You’re dedication is your own thing. That was never mentioned. I honestly could care less. But don’t come at someone for posting on your site. Even if it’s negative. Clearly not many people come on here any more any way. And this is one less person.
I will not be revisiting this site, nor the House of El podcast (which I actually enjoyed) because of your rude and uninviting reaction to criticism.
Best of Luck
Mitsarugi,
I can take criticism and negative comments toward me if they were given. Examples: “I hate the sound of your voice” “You don’t know what you’re talking about” “You suck” (I think you get the point) Along with that I can take comments bashing Heroes. Really, how does it affect me if someone doesn’t like the show? It doesn’t and it shouldn’t. Will I defend it? Sure and that should go without saying.
In this instance I made the mistake of firing off a comment and focusing on your comparison to Lost. My true discontent is with you making false statements. You said (regarding the podcast) “NEVER made any negative comments” also “Its sort of bias because these guys were given certain perks like visiting the set etc.” – This is where I take issue and rightfully so in my opinion. As I stated above there are plenty of times throughout the show that I pointed out faults and issues that I had. In addition to that there was no bias because of “perks.” There’s a level of appreciation one has for a show much like I hear on ‘other’ podcasts. I’m not going to sit back while false information is posted on the site. That’s not fair to anyone… Keep in mind I was replying to two people at the same time as well. The post above yours seemed “troll like” but I shouldn’t even have gone there with it. My apologies for that.
You call my reaction to ‘criticism’ rude and uninviting but I put criticism and false information on two totally different levels. I typically don’t respond to natural criticism. I’m fully aware it’s part of the business and I’d be a moron to expect everyone to agree with me or even like me for that matter. I appreciate criticism as much as praise because of it’s value in helping me to grow and succeed.
If you took what I said personally I apologize. If there was anger in my post it was 100% a result of what appeared to be misguided information and not because you (or anyone else) doesn’t like Heroes. I love Lost as well and I want to reiterate my mistake of losing focus on my real issue; the two posts stating that we don’t ever talk badly about the show or that we’re bias because of perks. I can understand you firing back because my post wasn’t on point and was more of a knee jerk reaction.
Take Care and hopefully you can see my side as well. Not in the business of making enemies…
I have heard constructive criticism from both Graham and Joe, but honestly it is a Heroes podcast for people who love the show, they are not going to talk horribly about it, especially when it was the “in” thing to do. I listen to the Slash Film cast, and I swear they insulted Heroes in EVERY episode, the show had nothing to do with Heroes…
The guys are open to hearing what the fans liked and did not like about the show, and if you truly listened to the show you would know there was discontent about many of the episodes, remember the promo for Pass/Fail… I think I was so disgusted I emailed the guys, they did not like the promo either, they did not see the point of the scene. If they were fan boys it would have been “OMG it makes SO much sense!!” when it doesn’t
I like the idea of getting people to submit different ideas for the stories and how they could have gone. I like rewatching too.
I notice the forums link is down, I was really curious after all this time to see where things were at in terms of discussion on Heroes, especially good quality fan fiction or graphic novels. Heck, if I had it my way so much of the character development would have went very differently from about the Season 2 finale onward. I always felt like a bit of an outsider, but I really liked Season 2, Season 3 onward was where it went wonky for me but then shot back up with stuff like the awesome Ice(wo)man scene for a bit and then sky dived like no bodies business when Claire watched a supposedly epic battle between Sylar, Peter, and Nathan through the pulsating crack in the door. I own the first and second season DVDs, the last two seasons I honestly don’t think I will pick up and I don’t think I can be blamed for that. That doesn’t take away that I love rewatching those first two seasons, just like I love rewatching Firefly and Serenity.
I will miss your upbeat recaps from you two guys. Much love for my fellow Heroes fans and I hope I can get some of that love back despite my own lack of fandom for those last 2 seasons but there were episodes and scenes from those last 2 seasons that were amazing. I think I need to go find some video streams of the last episodes I missed now…
I miss this podcast. :’(
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