Sorry, Joe that you didn’t get your wish re: Peter but I thought it was cool the way Peter defeated Samuel. I think his one-at-time power thing has actually been very good for the character.
Dudes;
This would have made a great series finale. Everything was wrapped up (basically we’re left with Caitlin and Uluru), all the storylines have been done before (even the public thing- we’re just going to see volume 4 over again), and it ended with a reference to something from the previews of season 1- this is how you end something. It’s really pretty good. It’s not getting may sweeps, it’s ratings have been the lowest ever, yeah. If they keep going, I think it will be much, much worse.
Bon – It’s OK, I’ll just sit in the corner and cry :’(
No really, I was more disappointed in myself for not putting 2 and 2 together about Peter flying until after the live show. I’m surprised nobody even mentioned it but of course he had the flying power at that time, how else did Peter and Sylar get to New York that fast?…… doh!
Still loved the last 15 minutes of that episode! Let’s hope it’s not the last episode ever for Heroes.
Trent-
I’m hoping that it isn’t Volume 4 all over again. I’d agree there’s the potential for it to follow the same ‘hunted’ storyline, but I’m hoping they’re smarter than that. There are a lot more options with this direction
I wonder if any of the specials will get some celebrity status because they’re not just known to some gov’t agency, but to the public. I want to see Sylar on TRL
I really hope they renew Heroes its such a good show. What other show is like it? The music, the moments, the lines it. Each seasons makes another wonderful volume. Just the concept alone. Former fans should really give it another try instead of falling into this trend of bashing heroes even when it is good.
I just rewatched the episode again, and something weird happened that made me think maybe the whole Peter thing isn’t completely out. When Matt won’t tell them where Samuel is, Peter says he’ll have to find out for himself. He turns toward Eli, who spins on the ground (through TK, but Sylar isn’t even looking that way) and then Peter does his Telepathy thing. Could be something there, maybe not.
Heroes is Out of the Coffin! This episode was great in the final moments in the carnival but everything before that was like, “Okay, moving on?” one thing that I noticed was how neatly it was wrapped up in the Volume 6 teaser I can almost see that as a decent end to Heroes. Also it’s great that it was Claire who reveals the secret as apposed to when we first met Claire she wanted nothing but to keep it all a secret. If Heroes gets a new season, I’d like to see a Flashforward with Claire acting as a more Angela-esque spokesperson for Specials. also, what if, The series is actually Sylar’s journey to becoming a hero. He’s been part of the series from the begining and from the begining of the show we’ve been teased that this is the begining of the character’s quests to becoming heroes
I was disappointed in this finale. My opinion, every Heroes finale with the exception of the first season has been a letdown. Everybody with the right power is always there when needed to plug that plot hole. It felt rushed, no dramatic tension in the episode except the Clare & HRG scenes. And to have the menace & dread of Samuel reduced to lets get Hiro to take the specials away and then he’s helpless (yes I know that’s his achilles heal, but that was a little too simple). That’s it? where’s the peril? I didn’t feel that anyone was truly in any danger. A few minutes (if that) battle with Peter? It’s funny that the one character I have any attachment to is the one without a power, HRG. I still like the show but don’t love it.
I am thinking that an Xmen type group might emerge form claires reveal, after all if there are going to be other ‘Sylars’ running around who else is better equiped to stop them?
I was a bit disappointed with the season finale, disappointed with the pacing and payoff of the entire season. I liked the Claire and HRG stories, liked the Hero saga to reunite with his love but hated the break and pacing of that plotline. Sad to see Nathan gone, but kind of happy that his essence seems to be a part of Gabriel. Would have loved to see the trapped in Sylar/Gabriel’s mind played off longer onscreen to develop the audience bond and acceptance. But at the end, it just felt meh at the finale. Maybe just use to having the threat spelled out early, and can see people working towards the end goal. Samuel wasn’t clear cut until towards the end.
And I definitely did not feel the ‘epic’ battle of the fight scene between Samuel and Peter. Pushing dirt back and forth, and the big stopper, pulling the power out of the fight by removing the ‘batteries’ (carnival folk).
It was ok. I’d have to hear the treatment for the next season to develop enthusiasm.
I was completely disappointed by the finale. Sylar’s turn into a hero is almost a joke considering how much they have jumped around with him in the past 3 seasons. That character is officially dead in my book.
Samuel’s defeat was absolutely anti-climatic and flawed. He lost his power when everyone left?…but he was alone when he sunk that house…and destroyed the police station…PLOT HOLE?
The way they wrapped up the Charlie story was quite an easy write around for the actress being busy. Although, the whole return of The Waitress storyline never should have happened in the first place.
A BRAVE NEW SHOW:
This season has been so insulting to me. As an avid follower of Heroes, I have long waited for a good storyline that carries over long spans of episodes. Instead, I was treated to a half episode reason for the show’s greatest character to turn good. The entire plot of season one was introduced in the first 2 episodes. And it was followed through upon.
I have always followed Heroes through good and bad. The first season is very close to my heart and I lived through seasons 2 and 3 with hope but I can now say that I am done with Heroes.
Tim Kring & Co. have proven that they cannot sustain a level of quality that is neccessary to follow a great first season. They have failed. 3 seasons now. They have failed.
So why am I on Heroespodcast.com and saying all these negative things? Well, someone needs to know. I was once one of those people who said “everyone who left is going to regret it”. Well I’m officially behind any decision to cancel this show.
Both the acting and writing on this show have gone down the slumps.
NBC and Tim Kring should seriously be ashamed of what they deliver to devoted fans. There is no excuse anymore. I was fine with the Sophmore Slump, depressed by the Junior Year, and now I have graduated from this terrible terrible Senior Year with hopes that maybe I’ll find a new show that can take away this bad taste in my mouth.
I have shared this show with one of the most important people in my life. We have watched every new episode as it airs. Two nights ago, we turned to eachother and realized that this show is dead. It has run its course.
Like a bad break up, this show was once great, it dwindled away and there was hope, but in the end, it just didn’t work out.
My suggestion to Tim Kring: Please put your mind on something new. Make something that you can be proud to put your name on. Mr. Kring, this series is dead.
Stephen King’s most successful method of writing is “Kill Your Darlings”.
Had Noah died in this episode, this would have been much more effective.
Had ANYONE died in this episode, this would have been much more effective.
Mr. Kring, in your next series, please..Kill Your Darlings.
Heroes is a lot like Nathan Petrelli. It dies every season and yet keeps coming back. Except this time. This time it’s going to stick.
Goodbye Heroes, whether you’re done or not, it is now clear that the Heroes I knew died a long long time ago.
I also want to add that I have a lot of respect for Joe and Graham and I respect any opinions they have regarding the show. I have been a follower of this podcast since it started. It may have been one of my first podcasts ever downloaded to be honest.
You guys put out great stuff every episode and I really wish that we could stay on the same page. I just needed Heroes to retain a certain level of quality. It did not. It has dwindled beyond repair. Sorry, and thanks.
How did Tracy and Noah’s old partner figure out that he and Claire were buried alive? (and wow, it was the cliffhanger from the penultimate episode…so lame)
How did Hiro have brain surgery and no bandages?(healed by his mom in his head?…lame)
How did Samuel use his powers earlier in the season when no one was around?
If you don’t like Heroes any more fine, but those of us who still like it are getting tired of all the complaining. Don’t like it, don’t watch it. Think it should/will get canceled, then why are you still on the fansites? We get enough flack from the outside world, we don’t need it from our own people.
I’m still on a fansite to make sure I’m not the only one who thinks Heroes is terrible nowadays. Apparently over 10 million former fans agree. So yeah…I’m outta here.
I think that I might be able to address some of the questions people have:
goGo – I actually went back and watched the season 1 finale before watching the season 4 finale. If you remember in the season 1 finale everyone was in a central location Kirby Plaza. It took lots of people to take down Sylar. Hiro stopped Sylar, Niki bashed Sylar over the head and even Matt tried to get in on the action. But it was the one thing that you bashed all other seasons for that they also used in season 1. When Peter got out of control and no one could stop him Nathan flew in to save the day. I think I would call that using a character with a narrative crutch to get the end that the writer’s wanted. With Samuel I personally think the peril with him was that he was a ticking time bomb. All it would have taken was for one person to say the wrong thing and do you remember the part when he started to split the ground in Central Park, he just didn’t get a chance to finish.
Mastarks – At that point Peter still had the telepathy power from Matt when he went into Sylar’s head thus closing that plot hole for you.
GorgeousMan – the Jeremy story line issue: Perhaps Samuel brought the Carnival close to him because at one point Samuel wanted Jeremy to live with them. And about the whole season 1 issue, I loved it too but when you put those episodes against some of the better episodes this season ie Brother’s Keeper, Strange Attractors, Shadowboxing, Art of Deception, and Brave New World I think that we will definitely remember those. This season had a lot of great moments just like season 1 had and I almost think that they followed the same sort of formula of How to Stop an Exploding Man in Brave New World. Everyone was apart for as long as possible and then they slowly started to come together in Central Park at the Carnival which was some fantastic material. The writing has been great this season and they seem to be actually following through on a lot of stuff: Claire is actually at a point in her life where she is OK with her ability, people have to realize that she is an 18 year old, kids go through lots of changes until they find what they feel they are supposed to be doing. Heroes has done essentially what everyone wanted them to do, go back to the season 1 formula and they have done that dare I say even taken the show in a new direction. I think if the show was given another season then perhaps they would be able to tell new short stories with new characters and gain back some fans. I wouldn’t even mind going back to the Origins story line, lots of new characters in little individually contained episodes.
As far as my comments go, for those who may think I’m a hater or even that others are just because we haven’t been satisfied with this or prior seasons, . . in your view that can be a valid opinion. Not everybody will share the same vision, feelings and wants for a show’s direction – isn’t that entertainment and the world working as usual. I follow the show because, even though I believe it’s stumbled here and there from season to season, I hope that the next show, the story arch, and season will be as bright and inspiring as the promise of the 1st season. I haven’t quite gotten to dumping it, and feel I have an opinion to express, like you, about what I see when I watch this show. If it were total rubbish, there’s no sense in following or commenting, so maybe my passion isn’t hating but a sadness and an expressed desire, that unfortunately may and will clash with those who see things as fine as-is. In the world of entertainment, that pretty much means, “get your own production company, money, and do your own show exactly as you see fit” resolution . . . . then I could bring back some canceled series . . . but I digress.
If it’s fair game to grade a season, I’d grade this season a B- (with some good interactions with family members, but lacking in the action and a few too many diversions from the main focus with a somewhat anti-climatic end). So yes, I do want another season, if the premise sounds interesting.
So, if Heroes does come back (which I hope it does, unlike Scrubs) I will watch next season. I felt that up until the last 3-4 episodes of the season, Season 4 was just awesome (except for Claire, as someone said earlier Tim, “Kill your Darlings”).
I didn’t think the finale was strong compared to any of the seasons, but it worked. I’m not saying the finale was horrible as I was getting hounded about it right after the show ended. You know who you are (T).
I think plenty of things that could have happened would have made a better story, such as Noah dying. I like Noah, but it would have made a stronger story. Peter being able to get a copy of his original ability.
anybody read the graphic novels or watch the sprint webisodes or anything extracurricular to cover up the GAPING plot hole of samuel losing all his power when the carnies left? anyone? please. if there’s an explanation we’d like to hear it. he sunk a police station and a mansion all by himself (and in the mansion episode he went so far as to tell lydia he was going into the city, right? so the carnies weren’t w/ him)
i mean, they showed all season samuel’s got powers with or without specials around him. hell, he was able to go one on one with guys (his bro, sylar, parkman/HRG–to save his girlfriend) yet he loses his power when all the other carnies are gone? dude peter freakin’ petrelli’s still there, that’s 1 special. WTF? hell, sylar and doyle are still at the carnival when all the other carnies were teleported out, what’s up w/ that?
i don’t nitpick but this is kind of a big deal. this is the payoff for 19 episodes’ worth, and it just seems like lazy writing.
I was just thinking about that. Even though Hiro teleported most of the carnies away, the following specials were still near Samuel:
Peter
Doyle
Sylar
Emma
You ever bench pressed before? You know how, after completing your sets, your muscles are tired and too weak to do another? Sometimes, you can be too weak to even lift the bar after having removed the weights. It is why you need someone to “spot” you as you work out.
Samuel had gotten used to having a huge number of specials around him. The specials became a crutch for his power. However, when all of that immense power was just taken from him from under the rug, he, unlike you or I at the gym, did not have a “spotter.”
So, although under normal circumstances Samuel could easily sink a building no problem, because he had been working out his powers so much but no longer had either a crutch or a “spot,” he could not do the terrakinesis equivalent of lifting the bar without its weights.
Probably a good analogy Serge. Here’s my thought on Samuel’s power…It was described that each special has a “magnetic force” (for lack of a better phrase). If you bring a plain piece of iron near a magnet it picks up that field and extends it, making it a bit stronger. Add more magnets, the iron bar becomes an even stronger magnet. Samuel collected the specials at his carnival, keeping them together and in close proximity to one another thereby increasing the strength of the field. He is the iron bar, focusing and expanding that force field. Only the writers know how far that force could carry when you have a group of specials that large and concentrated. Ultimately, we don’t know where Hiro took them or if he left them together in a group. It’s reasonable to envision that at a certain point, even if still together, the field would fall off and be “out of reach” for Samuel. Just the four or five specials around likely don’t generate enough of a force to really be demonstratable compared to what he could do just a few moments earlier.
I personally don’t know how close they have to be to effect Samuel but he didn’t seem to lose any power until Hiro teleported them meaning it could be quite a distance, when we saw him use his power to sink buildings before we don’t know how far the carnival was.
I like getting talks on this blog, it turns fuel topic and lets readers to feel like they can become involved in the comment. I tend to agree. It’s a awesome way.
TO BE CONTINUED…
now that was a finale!!!!!!
I swear io9 never has a single good thing to say about heroes. I cant stand ppl who only focus on the negative of a show.
Nice live show. I am now actually wondering what the hell happened to you guys. . .
Too many questions just like lost it set up more questions for next season!!
Sorry, Joe that you didn’t get your wish re: Peter but I thought it was cool the way Peter defeated Samuel. I think his one-at-time power thing has actually been very good for the character.
most touching was how Hiro & Charlie’s story ended
Dudes;
This would have made a great series finale. Everything was wrapped up (basically we’re left with Caitlin and Uluru), all the storylines have been done before (even the public thing- we’re just going to see volume 4 over again), and it ended with a reference to something from the previews of season 1- this is how you end something. It’s really pretty good. It’s not getting may sweeps, it’s ratings have been the lowest ever, yeah. If they keep going, I think it will be much, much worse.
Bon – It’s OK, I’ll just sit in the corner and cry :’(
No really, I was more disappointed in myself for not putting 2 and 2 together about Peter flying until after the live show. I’m surprised nobody even mentioned it but of course he had the flying power at that time, how else did Peter and Sylar get to New York that fast?…… doh!
Still loved the last 15 minutes of that episode! Let’s hope it’s not the last episode ever for Heroes.
Joe every hero has two powers- they all have the ability to instantly be where anything important in the plot is happening.
Trent-
I’m hoping that it isn’t Volume 4 all over again. I’d agree there’s the potential for it to follow the same ‘hunted’ storyline, but I’m hoping they’re smarter than that. There are a lot more options with this direction
I wonder if any of the specials will get some celebrity status because they’re not just known to some gov’t agency, but to the public. I want to see Sylar on TRL
I really hope they renew Heroes its such a good show. What other show is like it? The music, the moments, the lines it. Each seasons makes another wonderful volume. Just the concept alone. Former fans should really give it another try instead of falling into this trend of bashing heroes even when it is good.
I just rewatched the episode again, and something weird happened that made me think maybe the whole Peter thing isn’t completely out. When Matt won’t tell them where Samuel is, Peter says he’ll have to find out for himself. He turns toward Eli, who spins on the ground (through TK, but Sylar isn’t even looking that way) and then Peter does his Telepathy thing. Could be something there, maybe not.
Heroes is Out of the Coffin! This episode was great in the final moments in the carnival but everything before that was like, “Okay, moving on?” one thing that I noticed was how neatly it was wrapped up in the Volume 6 teaser I can almost see that as a decent end to Heroes. Also it’s great that it was Claire who reveals the secret as apposed to when we first met Claire she wanted nothing but to keep it all a secret. If Heroes gets a new season, I’d like to see a Flashforward with Claire acting as a more Angela-esque spokesperson for Specials. also, what if, The series is actually Sylar’s journey to becoming a hero. He’s been part of the series from the begining and from the begining of the show we’ve been teased that this is the begining of the character’s quests to becoming heroes
I was disappointed in this finale. My opinion, every Heroes finale with the exception of the first season has been a letdown. Everybody with the right power is always there when needed to plug that plot hole. It felt rushed, no dramatic tension in the episode except the Clare & HRG scenes. And to have the menace & dread of Samuel reduced to lets get Hiro to take the specials away and then he’s helpless (yes I know that’s his achilles heal, but that was a little too simple). That’s it? where’s the peril? I didn’t feel that anyone was truly in any danger. A few minutes (if that) battle with Peter? It’s funny that the one character I have any attachment to is the one without a power, HRG. I still like the show but don’t love it.
I am thinking that an Xmen type group might emerge form claires reveal, after all if there are going to be other ‘Sylars’ running around who else is better equiped to stop them?
I was a bit disappointed with the season finale, disappointed with the pacing and payoff of the entire season. I liked the Claire and HRG stories, liked the Hero saga to reunite with his love but hated the break and pacing of that plotline. Sad to see Nathan gone, but kind of happy that his essence seems to be a part of Gabriel. Would have loved to see the trapped in Sylar/Gabriel’s mind played off longer onscreen to develop the audience bond and acceptance. But at the end, it just felt meh at the finale. Maybe just use to having the threat spelled out early, and can see people working towards the end goal. Samuel wasn’t clear cut until towards the end.
And I definitely did not feel the ‘epic’ battle of the fight scene between Samuel and Peter. Pushing dirt back and forth, and the big stopper, pulling the power out of the fight by removing the ‘batteries’ (carnival folk).
It was ok. I’d have to hear the treatment for the next season to develop enthusiasm.
A BRAVE NEW WORLD:
I was completely disappointed by the finale. Sylar’s turn into a hero is almost a joke considering how much they have jumped around with him in the past 3 seasons. That character is officially dead in my book.
Samuel’s defeat was absolutely anti-climatic and flawed. He lost his power when everyone left?…but he was alone when he sunk that house…and destroyed the police station…PLOT HOLE?
The way they wrapped up the Charlie story was quite an easy write around for the actress being busy. Although, the whole return of The Waitress storyline never should have happened in the first place.
A BRAVE NEW SHOW:
This season has been so insulting to me. As an avid follower of Heroes, I have long waited for a good storyline that carries over long spans of episodes. Instead, I was treated to a half episode reason for the show’s greatest character to turn good. The entire plot of season one was introduced in the first 2 episodes. And it was followed through upon.
I have always followed Heroes through good and bad. The first season is very close to my heart and I lived through seasons 2 and 3 with hope but I can now say that I am done with Heroes.
Tim Kring & Co. have proven that they cannot sustain a level of quality that is neccessary to follow a great first season. They have failed. 3 seasons now. They have failed.
So why am I on Heroespodcast.com and saying all these negative things? Well, someone needs to know. I was once one of those people who said “everyone who left is going to regret it”. Well I’m officially behind any decision to cancel this show.
Both the acting and writing on this show have gone down the slumps.
NBC and Tim Kring should seriously be ashamed of what they deliver to devoted fans. There is no excuse anymore. I was fine with the Sophmore Slump, depressed by the Junior Year, and now I have graduated from this terrible terrible Senior Year with hopes that maybe I’ll find a new show that can take away this bad taste in my mouth.
I have shared this show with one of the most important people in my life. We have watched every new episode as it airs. Two nights ago, we turned to eachother and realized that this show is dead. It has run its course.
Like a bad break up, this show was once great, it dwindled away and there was hope, but in the end, it just didn’t work out.
My suggestion to Tim Kring: Please put your mind on something new. Make something that you can be proud to put your name on. Mr. Kring, this series is dead.
Stephen King’s most successful method of writing is “Kill Your Darlings”.
Had Noah died in this episode, this would have been much more effective.
Had ANYONE died in this episode, this would have been much more effective.
Mr. Kring, in your next series, please..Kill Your Darlings.
Heroes is a lot like Nathan Petrelli. It dies every season and yet keeps coming back. Except this time. This time it’s going to stick.
Goodbye Heroes, whether you’re done or not, it is now clear that the Heroes I knew died a long long time ago.
I also want to add that I have a lot of respect for Joe and Graham and I respect any opinions they have regarding the show. I have been a follower of this podcast since it started. It may have been one of my first podcasts ever downloaded to be honest.
You guys put out great stuff every episode and I really wish that we could stay on the same page. I just needed Heroes to retain a certain level of quality. It did not. It has dwindled beyond repair. Sorry, and thanks.
PLOT HOLES:
How did Eli get from LA to NY in 10 minutes?
How did Tracy and Noah’s old partner figure out that he and Claire were buried alive? (and wow, it was the cliffhanger from the penultimate episode…so lame)
How did Hiro have brain surgery and no bandages?(healed by his mom in his head?…lame)
How did Samuel use his powers earlier in the season when no one was around?
THIS SHOW IS DEAD.
Samuel vs. Peter: Dirt Pushers!!
Thank god this show isn’t coming back.
It’s a shame to see LOST and Smallville so good in their late seasons while HEROES has just been poopy since season one’s finale.
Why didn’t Hiro just take Samuel away from the Carnival instead of taking the Carnival away from Samuel? That was BEYOND DUMB.
And are they seriously messing with the Going Public angle again?
Count me out.
The season finale was meh to me. I miss Nathan. I want him back for another season.
If you don’t like Heroes any more fine, but those of us who still like it are getting tired of all the complaining. Don’t like it, don’t watch it. Think it should/will get canceled, then why are you still on the fansites? We get enough flack from the outside world, we don’t need it from our own people.
I’m still on a fansite to make sure I’m not the only one who thinks Heroes is terrible nowadays. Apparently over 10 million former fans agree. So yeah…I’m outta here.
I think that I might be able to address some of the questions people have:
goGo – I actually went back and watched the season 1 finale before watching the season 4 finale. If you remember in the season 1 finale everyone was in a central location Kirby Plaza. It took lots of people to take down Sylar. Hiro stopped Sylar, Niki bashed Sylar over the head and even Matt tried to get in on the action. But it was the one thing that you bashed all other seasons for that they also used in season 1. When Peter got out of control and no one could stop him Nathan flew in to save the day. I think I would call that using a character with a narrative crutch to get the end that the writer’s wanted. With Samuel I personally think the peril with him was that he was a ticking time bomb. All it would have taken was for one person to say the wrong thing and do you remember the part when he started to split the ground in Central Park, he just didn’t get a chance to finish.
Mastarks – At that point Peter still had the telepathy power from Matt when he went into Sylar’s head thus closing that plot hole for you.
GorgeousMan – the Jeremy story line issue: Perhaps Samuel brought the Carnival close to him because at one point Samuel wanted Jeremy to live with them. And about the whole season 1 issue, I loved it too but when you put those episodes against some of the better episodes this season ie Brother’s Keeper, Strange Attractors, Shadowboxing, Art of Deception, and Brave New World I think that we will definitely remember those. This season had a lot of great moments just like season 1 had and I almost think that they followed the same sort of formula of How to Stop an Exploding Man in Brave New World. Everyone was apart for as long as possible and then they slowly started to come together in Central Park at the Carnival which was some fantastic material. The writing has been great this season and they seem to be actually following through on a lot of stuff: Claire is actually at a point in her life where she is OK with her ability, people have to realize that she is an 18 year old, kids go through lots of changes until they find what they feel they are supposed to be doing. Heroes has done essentially what everyone wanted them to do, go back to the season 1 formula and they have done that dare I say even taken the show in a new direction. I think if the show was given another season then perhaps they would be able to tell new short stories with new characters and gain back some fans. I wouldn’t even mind going back to the Origins story line, lots of new characters in little individually contained episodes.
Brendan- I wasn’t saying the Telepathy/TK thing was a plothole, I was putting it up as Peter possibly having more than one ability.
As far as my comments go, for those who may think I’m a hater or even that others are just because we haven’t been satisfied with this or prior seasons, . . in your view that can be a valid opinion. Not everybody will share the same vision, feelings and wants for a show’s direction – isn’t that entertainment and the world working as usual. I follow the show because, even though I believe it’s stumbled here and there from season to season, I hope that the next show, the story arch, and season will be as bright and inspiring as the promise of the 1st season. I haven’t quite gotten to dumping it, and feel I have an opinion to express, like you, about what I see when I watch this show. If it were total rubbish, there’s no sense in following or commenting, so maybe my passion isn’t hating but a sadness and an expressed desire, that unfortunately may and will clash with those who see things as fine as-is. In the world of entertainment, that pretty much means, “get your own production company, money, and do your own show exactly as you see fit” resolution . . . . then I could bring back some canceled series . . . but I digress.
If it’s fair game to grade a season, I’d grade this season a B- (with some good interactions with family members, but lacking in the action and a few too many diversions from the main focus with a somewhat anti-climatic end). So yes, I do want another season, if the premise sounds interesting.
So, if Heroes does come back (which I hope it does, unlike Scrubs) I will watch next season. I felt that up until the last 3-4 episodes of the season, Season 4 was just awesome (except for Claire, as someone said earlier Tim, “Kill your Darlings”).
I didn’t think the finale was strong compared to any of the seasons, but it worked. I’m not saying the finale was horrible as I was getting hounded about it right after the show ended. You know who you are (T).
I think plenty of things that could have happened would have made a better story, such as Noah dying. I like Noah, but it would have made a stronger story. Peter being able to get a copy of his original ability.
I thought about that too mastarks but Sylar could have just pushed him without looking because that ability is so strong.
anybody read the graphic novels or watch the sprint webisodes or anything extracurricular to cover up the GAPING plot hole of samuel losing all his power when the carnies left? anyone? please. if there’s an explanation we’d like to hear it. he sunk a police station and a mansion all by himself (and in the mansion episode he went so far as to tell lydia he was going into the city, right? so the carnies weren’t w/ him)
i mean, they showed all season samuel’s got powers with or without specials around him. hell, he was able to go one on one with guys (his bro, sylar, parkman/HRG–to save his girlfriend) yet he loses his power when all the other carnies are gone? dude peter freakin’ petrelli’s still there, that’s 1 special. WTF? hell, sylar and doyle are still at the carnival when all the other carnies were teleported out, what’s up w/ that?
i don’t nitpick but this is kind of a big deal. this is the payoff for 19 episodes’ worth, and it just seems like lazy writing.
I was just thinking about that. Even though Hiro teleported most of the carnies away, the following specials were still near Samuel:
Peter
Doyle
Sylar
Emma
jon,
Here’s my stab at it.
You ever bench pressed before? You know how, after completing your sets, your muscles are tired and too weak to do another? Sometimes, you can be too weak to even lift the bar after having removed the weights. It is why you need someone to “spot” you as you work out.
Samuel had gotten used to having a huge number of specials around him. The specials became a crutch for his power. However, when all of that immense power was just taken from him from under the rug, he, unlike you or I at the gym, did not have a “spotter.”
So, although under normal circumstances Samuel could easily sink a building no problem, because he had been working out his powers so much but no longer had either a crutch or a “spot,” he could not do the terrakinesis equivalent of lifting the bar without its weights.
Hope the podcast comes out soon.
C’mon….where’s the podcast guys?
Probably a good analogy Serge. Here’s my thought on Samuel’s power…It was described that each special has a “magnetic force” (for lack of a better phrase). If you bring a plain piece of iron near a magnet it picks up that field and extends it, making it a bit stronger. Add more magnets, the iron bar becomes an even stronger magnet. Samuel collected the specials at his carnival, keeping them together and in close proximity to one another thereby increasing the strength of the field. He is the iron bar, focusing and expanding that force field. Only the writers know how far that force could carry when you have a group of specials that large and concentrated. Ultimately, we don’t know where Hiro took them or if he left them together in a group. It’s reasonable to envision that at a certain point, even if still together, the field would fall off and be “out of reach” for Samuel. Just the four or five specials around likely don’t generate enough of a force to really be demonstratable compared to what he could do just a few moments earlier.
the guys are trying to figure out the plot hole–hence the delay in podcast LOL
I personally don’t know how close they have to be to effect Samuel but he didn’t seem to lose any power until Hiro teleported them meaning it could be quite a distance, when we saw him use his power to sink buildings before we don’t know how far the carnival was.
No podcast yet.? just because there wasn’t an episode this week doesn’t mean it should be late
I’m pretty sure Graham and Joe have jobs and require sleep. Let’s hold off the “no podcast?” comments.
Chill out, guys. It isn’t the end of the world if the podcast is a few days late. Let them take a breather at the end. And look! It’s posted now.
I like getting talks on this blog, it turns fuel topic and lets readers to feel like they can become involved in the comment. I tend to agree. It’s a awesome way.