Hello, any advice where to find the preview for the next episode? It’s not on the NBC website, youtube, hulu, nowhere. Thanks in advance guys. That last episode left me begging for more.
Just who is Samuel really after…? It’s gotta be Peter. Samuel’s got Claire who is connected to Peter. Why Peter? Well let’s remember Samuel and Peter’s meeting at the park. Samuel realized that Peter is indeed the powerful empath, but mostly in his character. Samuel realized Peter’s deplores lies. So, to get to the most powerful hero, (right, Joe?!) for Samuel to get what he wants, he needs to get in good with Peter.
Hey here is a thought, what if peter found hiro (where is he by the way?) and then used time travel to go back before he was stripped of all power by his dad. this way he could mimic himself and regain his ability. But first he’d have to find Hiro. Another thing, why is angela keeping Nathan’s body if he is deader than a doorknob.
Not sure Jon, we’ll see if we can make that available!
Vincent, you’re right, Peter is the most powerful and I don’t care that Sylar has all the powers. Samuel wants Peter but most would argue that he’s trying to get HRG to the carnival. I think Graham and I are going to talk about that a bit in the podcast. As far as a trailer is concerned…. You can stop looking because NBC has completely held back. As disappointed as I am, I think it’s an interesting move that will keep our eyes peeled to NBC and definitely generate some buzz when it does finally hit.
Did anybody see the DNA symbol thingy on Nathans hand right after he came back, it was in blood and I saw it right after a commercial break just before he wiped his hand. just wondering.
Why is this episode called the Fifth Stage?
I’m beginning to grow tired of episode titles that have literally nothing to do with the episode or are just plain retarded.
Wonky.
This episode has pretty much solidified that Heroes is still a show that can entertain. But that’s about it anymore. I, as a big fan of the show, no longer have the desire to speculate where the show is heading. I say this because I feel that the writers of Heroes can not sustain a level quality from one episode to another.
I agree that this has been the strongest season since the first. It has been extremely interesting and entertaining. But it just doesn’t have the sort of “weight” that season one had.
By “weight” I mean that things just sort of happen for no real motivated reason. Characters have been introduced only to be sidelined. Main characters sort of act on a whim, like Peter just out of nowhere getting excessively violent in this episode. I think it all comes down to the writers having a hard time grasping who these people are.
I completely agree that when Kring writes an episode, something feels “off”. I would also blame the pace of this episode. It literally felt like some scenes were rehearsals filmed in slow motion. When HRG says “get in the bathroom.”, there is zero sense of urgency. In my head, I saw that scene being a lot more intense than it was.
Nathan’s death scene really has no weight to it. Think about it. He has “died” 3 times before. All were actually physical deaths. This “soul death” was beautiful to look at but I just felt like “if EW didn’t spoil this a month ago as a sticking death, I would assume Nathan would be back somehow.”
Did anyone find some of the scenes to just feel wonky? The ripped-off Kevin-James looking guy felt so unrealistic. There was no motivation for cutting a coed in the face with a broken bottle.
And again with the montage of different Heroes to close out the episode. Similar to Season 2’s finale but this one had some sort of context as it sort of marked out Samuel’s targets.
But what is really the benefit of showing a scene from a future episode in this montage? In a show already riddled in chronological holes, it just makes no sense to me.
I am a BIG Heroes fan. I really am. I have followed this podcast since day one. It just gets to me to see so much progress in a season, only to have it start teeter into convoluted story-telling again.
My favorite episode of Heroes is Company Man (typical, I know) and HRG has always been my favorite character. I have to admit, I HATED how HRG was written in this episode. He just seemed so awkward and unintelligent. Everything he said just made me think “why does he seem so awkward?”
For all the trashing I’ve done on this episode, let me back up a bit. Season 4 has been superb. The whole Carnival aspect of the show has been pretty well-handled. Samuel has been the best villian since Sylar. There is a climax brewing. Plus, Sylar’s path to his body has been a much better vehicle for him than say, finding his father. Twice. I’d rate the entire season up to before this episode as a 8/10.
But The Fifth Stage really irked me. The fact that Nathan’s death wasn’t the final scene just shows where the writers’ priority lies. Claire’s story should have been the secondary storyline of this episode. There was too much here. The Evil Kevin James subplot brought about nothing but another reason for Claire to show her healing.
The FX in this episode were okay but the multiple man effects were cringeworthy. There was literally no point in that guy having that power if only to pop up behind someone.
The Nathan falling and transforming into Sylar was the high point of the episode. Should’ve been the cliffhanger. That one FX shot alone earns this episode a point.
The show is entertaining, it’s experimental, and flawed. So many people have hopped off the Heroes wagon and many were beginning to get back on. This episode turned away a lot of the people I know who were gaining interest.
Hopefully 2010 will make me forget I ever made it to the Fifth Stage.
I give it 4 “stages” out of 10
And everyone is open to disagree. I really don’t mind. I just hate to see an episode that is written by the Showrunner and has Peter vs. Sylar, come out this wonky.
The “Fifth Stage” refers to the five stages of grief, which Angela mentions at the beginning of the episode. You’ve got denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance – and Peter hits pretty much all of those as the episode progresses. I thought Milo and Adrian were great. Though I have to say I was a bit disappointed that the Nathan/Peter/Sylar stuff was outweighed by the Claire at the carnival stuff. Claire’s indecisiveness can really only carry the story so far. If they wanted to focus so much on the carnival, it would have been nice to at least provide some more information about Samuel’s intentions. It was probably a mistake to leave so many things unanswered before the hiatus, and with no real cliff-hanger – especially since they hyped this episode, and actually saw a ratings boost. I love the show, and will be watching when its back in January, but I don’t know that they did enough to draw newer viewers in.
Please don’t listen to Kristen…. Tim Kring just spoke out and says he fully expects a Season 5 and Wendy from the makeup team also said “It’s NOT being canceled” In addition to that; Comcast said in a conference call that they love Heroes and Comcast just took %51 share of NBC/Universal. It’s possible but I think we’ll see a season 5.
I quite enjoyed this episode, the only thing that bugged me was the lack of a real cliffhanger to keep everyone hanging on for the hiatus.
Don’t believe Kristen about Heroes, seems very stupid excuse to can a show, plus it’s one of the networks biggest earners with sold out advertising slots and the huge world wide selling of the show, hardly any show ever made has been so global
Looking forward to January 4th
Joe, would you be against the producers of Heroes setting an end date, ala LOST, to give the show a fitting end and to avoid retreading water?
I think that’s what this show needs right now. The reason I think that people have been turned away is that there is no real mysteries ahead. The Looming Season Long Threat is Samuel. I don’t think that’s enough of a threat to people who stopped Bombs and Viruses.
As I learned in my ScreenWriting Classes, if your main threat can be taken down by one bullet in a sci-fi show, then there’s no threat to begin with.
That was great episode to end on for this year! I am sad that they have to have a christmas hiatus in the first place, but you can’t have everything. Any idea when the podcast is coming out for this episode?
I wouldn’t be opposed to an end date at this point. I was originally opposed to it back when Season 3 just started but if it means we’re guaranteed a set amount of episodes instead of worrying about renewal each season, I’ll take it.
I don’t think people have been turned away by S4, it was more Season 3 that did the “turning away” IMO. This has been an excellent season and I like how they’ve slowly developed things and are slowly bringing everything into focus.
mp3 version?
Hello, any advice where to find the preview for the next episode? It’s not on the NBC website, youtube, hulu, nowhere. Thanks in advance guys. That last episode left me begging for more.
Just who is Samuel really after…? It’s gotta be Peter. Samuel’s got Claire who is connected to Peter. Why Peter? Well let’s remember Samuel and Peter’s meeting at the park. Samuel realized that Peter is indeed the powerful empath, but mostly in his character. Samuel realized Peter’s deplores lies. So, to get to the most powerful hero, (right, Joe?!) for Samuel to get what he wants, he needs to get in good with Peter.
Hey here is a thought, what if peter found hiro (where is he by the way?) and then used time travel to go back before he was stripped of all power by his dad. this way he could mimic himself and regain his ability. But first he’d have to find Hiro. Another thing, why is angela keeping Nathan’s body if he is deader than a doorknob.
Not sure Jon, we’ll see if we can make that available!
Vincent, you’re right, Peter is the most powerful and I don’t care that Sylar has all the powers. Samuel wants Peter but most would argue that he’s trying to get HRG to the carnival. I think Graham and I are going to talk about that a bit in the podcast. As far as a trailer is concerned…. You can stop looking because NBC has completely held back. As disappointed as I am, I think it’s an interesting move that will keep our eyes peeled to NBC and definitely generate some buzz when it does finally hit.
Thanks for listening
Did anybody see the DNA symbol thingy on Nathans hand right after he came back, it was in blood and I saw it right after a commercial break just before he wiped his hand. just wondering.
MY REVIEW OF THE FIFTH STAGE
Why is this episode called the Fifth Stage?
I’m beginning to grow tired of episode titles that have literally nothing to do with the episode or are just plain retarded.
Wonky.
This episode has pretty much solidified that Heroes is still a show that can entertain. But that’s about it anymore. I, as a big fan of the show, no longer have the desire to speculate where the show is heading. I say this because I feel that the writers of Heroes can not sustain a level quality from one episode to another.
I agree that this has been the strongest season since the first. It has been extremely interesting and entertaining. But it just doesn’t have the sort of “weight” that season one had.
By “weight” I mean that things just sort of happen for no real motivated reason. Characters have been introduced only to be sidelined. Main characters sort of act on a whim, like Peter just out of nowhere getting excessively violent in this episode. I think it all comes down to the writers having a hard time grasping who these people are.
I completely agree that when Kring writes an episode, something feels “off”. I would also blame the pace of this episode. It literally felt like some scenes were rehearsals filmed in slow motion. When HRG says “get in the bathroom.”, there is zero sense of urgency. In my head, I saw that scene being a lot more intense than it was.
Nathan’s death scene really has no weight to it. Think about it. He has “died” 3 times before. All were actually physical deaths. This “soul death” was beautiful to look at but I just felt like “if EW didn’t spoil this a month ago as a sticking death, I would assume Nathan would be back somehow.”
Did anyone find some of the scenes to just feel wonky? The ripped-off Kevin-James looking guy felt so unrealistic. There was no motivation for cutting a coed in the face with a broken bottle.
And again with the montage of different Heroes to close out the episode. Similar to Season 2’s finale but this one had some sort of context as it sort of marked out Samuel’s targets.
But what is really the benefit of showing a scene from a future episode in this montage? In a show already riddled in chronological holes, it just makes no sense to me.
I am a BIG Heroes fan. I really am. I have followed this podcast since day one. It just gets to me to see so much progress in a season, only to have it start teeter into convoluted story-telling again.
My favorite episode of Heroes is Company Man (typical, I know) and HRG has always been my favorite character. I have to admit, I HATED how HRG was written in this episode. He just seemed so awkward and unintelligent. Everything he said just made me think “why does he seem so awkward?”
For all the trashing I’ve done on this episode, let me back up a bit. Season 4 has been superb. The whole Carnival aspect of the show has been pretty well-handled. Samuel has been the best villian since Sylar. There is a climax brewing. Plus, Sylar’s path to his body has been a much better vehicle for him than say, finding his father. Twice. I’d rate the entire season up to before this episode as a 8/10.
But The Fifth Stage really irked me. The fact that Nathan’s death wasn’t the final scene just shows where the writers’ priority lies. Claire’s story should have been the secondary storyline of this episode. There was too much here. The Evil Kevin James subplot brought about nothing but another reason for Claire to show her healing.
The FX in this episode were okay but the multiple man effects were cringeworthy. There was literally no point in that guy having that power if only to pop up behind someone.
The Nathan falling and transforming into Sylar was the high point of the episode. Should’ve been the cliffhanger. That one FX shot alone earns this episode a point.
The show is entertaining, it’s experimental, and flawed. So many people have hopped off the Heroes wagon and many were beginning to get back on. This episode turned away a lot of the people I know who were gaining interest.
Hopefully 2010 will make me forget I ever made it to the Fifth Stage.
I give it 4 “stages” out of 10
And everyone is open to disagree. I really don’t mind. I just hate to see an episode that is written by the Showrunner and has Peter vs. Sylar, come out this wonky.
The “Fifth Stage” refers to the five stages of grief, which Angela mentions at the beginning of the episode. You’ve got denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance – and Peter hits pretty much all of those as the episode progresses. I thought Milo and Adrian were great. Though I have to say I was a bit disappointed that the Nathan/Peter/Sylar stuff was outweighed by the Claire at the carnival stuff. Claire’s indecisiveness can really only carry the story so far. If they wanted to focus so much on the carnival, it would have been nice to at least provide some more information about Samuel’s intentions. It was probably a mistake to leave so many things unanswered before the hiatus, and with no real cliff-hanger – especially since they hyped this episode, and actually saw a ratings boost. I love the show, and will be watching when its back in January, but I don’t know that they did enough to draw newer viewers in.
Ah thanks for clearing up the Fifth Stage explanation. Didn’t catch that. But again, too much focus on Claire and the Carnival.
Well, looks like Heroes is “expected to end” this year. It’s a shame really. I know I’ll miss it.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b156121_this_just_in_heroes_expected_end_ugly.html
Please don’t listen to Kristen…. Tim Kring just spoke out and says he fully expects a Season 5 and Wendy from the makeup team also said “It’s NOT being canceled” In addition to that; Comcast said in a conference call that they love Heroes and Comcast just took %51 share of NBC/Universal. It’s possible but I think we’ll see a season 5.
I quite enjoyed this episode, the only thing that bugged me was the lack of a real cliffhanger to keep everyone hanging on for the hiatus.
Don’t believe Kristen about Heroes, seems very stupid excuse to can a show, plus it’s one of the networks biggest earners with sold out advertising slots and the huge world wide selling of the show, hardly any show ever made has been so global
Looking forward to January 4th
Screen Junkies is reporting that “Heroes will most likely get a 5th season”
http://www.screenjunkies.com/tvnews/exclusive-heroes-will-most-likely-get-5th-season
I’m happy to see that Kristen is possibly wrong.
Joe, would you be against the producers of Heroes setting an end date, ala LOST, to give the show a fitting end and to avoid retreading water?
I think that’s what this show needs right now. The reason I think that people have been turned away is that there is no real mysteries ahead. The Looming Season Long Threat is Samuel. I don’t think that’s enough of a threat to people who stopped Bombs and Viruses.
As I learned in my ScreenWriting Classes, if your main threat can be taken down by one bullet in a sci-fi show, then there’s no threat to begin with.
That was great episode to end on for this year! I am sad that they have to have a christmas hiatus in the first place, but you can’t have everything. Any idea when the podcast is coming out for this episode?
I wouldn’t be opposed to an end date at this point. I was originally opposed to it back when Season 3 just started but if it means we’re guaranteed a set amount of episodes instead of worrying about renewal each season, I’ll take it.
I don’t think people have been turned away by S4, it was more Season 3 that did the “turning away” IMO. This has been an excellent season and I like how they’ve slowly developed things and are slowly bringing everything into focus.